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Monday, September 14, 2009

God's word in footnotes?

(Berean Jews)


Acts 17

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.  
13But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.  
14And then immediately the brethren sent away Paul to go as it were to the sea: but Silas and Timotheus abode there still.  

Must admit when my brother Arion told me to throw out the NIV that it was of satan, I did hestitate. In fact I wanted to remove it from the garbage, but instead I went to purchcase the Holy Bible in King James. How can I explain how I felt when I compared the KJV to the NIV. Felt hurt. Felt angry.  

Though the scripture came to mind:
2 Timothy 4(King James Version)  
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.  

All this time I was not reading the full word of God. Instead I was reading a book that left out scriptures, or misinterpreted them, or twisted them or threw them into the footnotes. 

Footnotes A footnote is a note of text placed at the bottom of a page in a book or document. The note comments on and may cite a reference for part of the main body of text. A footnote is normally flagged by a superscript number following that portion of the text the note is in reference to. Footnotes are most often used as an alternative to long explanatory notes that can be distracting to readers. 

The word of God is supposedly so distracting in parts that the writers of the NIV had to use footnotes? Aside from their technical use, authors use footnotes for a variety of reasons: As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text. To attribute to a quote or viewpoint. As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source. To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account footnotes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease  

The word of God is meant to be read as a whole. Especially in scripture. Not a "By The Way" or "here's a tip". Let me know your thoughts.

Just noticing: why are the names in the KJV changed in NIV?

Already wrote a note on NIV leaving some scripture in the footnotes or leaving verses out all together. Have also noticed in reading the KJV the names are changed when revised into NIV. Why? What's the purpose? Don't say because it's hard to pronounce. What if someone changed your name because it was hard to say? Know that when some immigrate here they shorten their name when they present themselves to you, but they don't change it.

Christians sin too, why do some believe they do not sin












1 John 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

James 5
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent (having or displaying a passionate intensity.) prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; 20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Matthew 5
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:  
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.  



Romans 3 
9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 
10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:  
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:  
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;  
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:  
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission (exemption) of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 

Romans 4
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.  
19For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  
20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded (exist in large numbers or amounts.) , grace did much more abound (exist in large numbers or amounts.) :  
21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

What are your gift(s)? Are we all suppose to speak in tongues?













1 Corinthians 12 (KJV)  
1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.  
2Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.  
3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.  


4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.  
5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.  
6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.  
7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.  
8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;  9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;  
10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:  
11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

  



12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.  
13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.  
14For the body is not one member, but many.  
15If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?  
16And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?  
17If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?  
18But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.  
19And if they were all one member, where were the body?  
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.  
21And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.  
22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:  
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.  
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.  
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.  
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.  
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.  
28And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.  
29Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?  
30Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?  
31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.  

1 Corinthians 13:1 also says that your gifts mean nothing if you do not have love


The Old Testament and The New Testament

For someone who is trying to get right with God now, why is it hard for me to convince them that they should start with the book of Matthew? To read the new testament? Not dissuading them from the old testament altogether, but if they are seeking God's grace that they should read the new testament.  Hebrews 8 better explains it. 





Hebrews 8 
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:  
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.  
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:  
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.  
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. 


No need to argue among yourselves, just read Hebrews 8. Don't let satan discourage you and say it's too late or that you are not worthy, look how long it took you. God gives us grace through Christ. Don't tempt God (Matthew 4:7) and don't take his grace for granted (Romans 6)

KJV vs NIV



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT TAKING AWAY AND ADDING FROM THE WORD OF GOD?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30: 5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.



NOTE: These are the verses that have been either removed to the footnotes section or are completely removed all together. There are many other discrepancies in the NIV including the removal of individual words such as Calvary, Lucifer, New Testament, and many others. The NIV is also gender neutral which is not what the original manuscripts were like. Gender neutral is something brought about by modern day Politically Correct persons. Now on to the discrepancies.


Let's begin with the verses that have been moved from the original text and put into the footnotes of the NIV. By putting a verse into the footnotes instead of where it should be, it leads credibility to the reader that the verse is not part of the original Bible. Now for the verses that have been completely removed from the Original.  




Matthew 17:21 (KJV) Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.  
Matthew 17:21 (NIV) (No verse 21) 20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” [21] [a]


NIV leaves vs 21 out and uses it as a footnote only for (Some manuscripts you. But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting) 

This is such a vital verse, why leave it out? In order to have this kind of faith Jesus says prayer and fasting can only bring it. The NIV leaves it in a footnote. When you try to memorize a verse, do you remember to include the footnotes. When you want to increase your faith do you pray and fast? Is it possible that we can perform miracles like Jesus did with the boy with a demonic spirit?  


Mathew 18:11 (KJV) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.  

Matthew 18:11 (NIV) The Parable of the Lost Sheep  

Matthew 18 (NIV)
10"See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.[a] 
11 ?
12"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 
13And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 
14In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost.  

NIV footnotes only for vs11 Some manuscripts heaven. 11 The Son of Man came to save what was lost.  


Matthew 23 (KJV)  

14 (Seven Woes) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Matthew 23 (NIV)
[14] [b] ?



Do you see anything wrong with the translation?

(KJV) Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;


(NIV) Ephesians 5:19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord,

(KJV) Colossians 4:5 Walk in wisdom toward them that are without, redeeming the time. Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

(NIV) Colossians 4:5 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 
6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.



(NIV) Matthew 23
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.

(KJV) Matthew 23
8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.



MARTIAL LAW

Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.  

SURVIVING MARTIAL LAW Prepare before any declaration of martial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban. Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas. Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation. Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them. Remain calm! Do not panic. Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action. Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change. Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency. People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges. Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed. Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food. Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day.

Revealed To Only A Few

Apocalypse Revelations - reveal

Apocalyptic thinnking is about how there is an universal invisible network led by an arch criminal mastermind. Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις -translit. apoca'lipsis, literally: the lifting of the veil), is a term applied to the disclosure to certain privileged persons of something hidden from the majority of humankind.

Tuesday, August 25, 2009

Upgrade? Why?


Blue Ray DVD, why is it here? All broadcast going digital, why?

Just to upgrade? They want to be able to see in your homes. The ones without cable are being forced to accept digital which starts next year. Why? Again, please watch the movie Fahrenheit 451. They want to be able to control you. They will be able to do this once they get the microchip in you without you even knowing it. Please consider downsizing to regualr tv if you must have it and use it only for dvd's (regular not blue ray) and/ or vhs. Or consider ditching the tv.

The Kindle Reader , Border's E-Book, Sony's Reader, Nook


Why must we upgrade, everytime it's available? Are they trying to ease us off the regular books? They say it's to save trees. Which is good, right? Will they eventually rid us of regular books? Who can afford the $300+ electronic book? Why must we depend on technology for everything? Remember the movie "The Matrix"? Technolgy took over the human race because we got lazy and solely relyed on them to do our thinking. After revisiting the movie Fahrenheit 451, I just can't accept that is the real reason. Are they trying to dissuade us from reading the truth? If they do this with bibles as well (in which they will ban it) , hoiw much would you have to memorize before they try to distort the truth? Would you be able to not panic and would you be able to function normally without technology? Just a thought to pass along. Never trust what they say.

Books, Movies, Etc..., Giving Us Clues

Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury

Fahrenheit 451 is a dystopian soft science fiction novel authored by Ray Bradbury and first published in 1953. The novel presents a future American society in which the masses are hedonistic, and critical thought through reading is outlawed. The central character, Guy Montag, is employed as a "fireman" (which, in this future, means "book burner"). The number "451" refers to the temperature (in Fahrenheit) at which the books burn when the "Firemen" burn them "For the good of humanity". Written in the early years of the Cold War, the novel is a critique of what Bradbury saw as an increasingly dysfunctional American society. The concept began with Bradbury's short story "Bright Phoenix," written in 1947 but first published in the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction in 1963.

The original short story was reworked into the novella, The Fireman, and published in the February 1951 issue of Galaxy Science Fiction. The novel was also serialized in the March, April, and May 1954 issues of Playboy magazine.

Bradbury wrote the entire novel on pay typewriter in the basement of UCLA's Powell library. His original intention in writing Fahrenheit 451 was to show his great love for books and libraries. He has often referred to Montag as an allusion to himself. Over the years, the novel has been subject to various interpretations, primarily focusing on the historical role of book burning in suppressing dissenting ideas. Bradbury has stated that the novel is not about censorship; he states that Fahrenheit 451 is a story about how television destroys interest in reading literature, which leads to a perception of knowledge as being composed of "factoids", partial information devoid of context, e.g., Napoleon's birth date alone, without an indication of who he was.

A movie version of the novel was released in 1966, and it is anticipated that a second version will begin filming in 2008. At least two BBC Radio 4 dramatizations have also been aired, both of which follow the book very closely. Couldn't help but mention this book turned movie. It gives a vivid imagination of how we live as American's today and how it will be in the near future. Christians please memorize your scriptures, for soon it will be forbidden and be confiscated and/or burned.

Sinful Nature vs Holy Spirit

Romans 7 (KJV)
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal (lustful), sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.  
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.  
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.  
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.  





19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.  
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.  
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.  
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:  




23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.  



 

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?  
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Am sure all can relate to this Romans 7:14-25 ~ Karmen


So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin. The law of your mind. Satan will deceive you by closing your mind off and when this happens unwise decisions will be made. Like choosing one bad apple over another one. Why do we do this? The sinful nature is mastering our mind. We must always be conscious of this. 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.

We have the sinful nature and Holy Spirit battling within us

This information I pulled from http://www.realtime.net/~wdoud/philemon/phlm02.html Reason for placing it on my notes was to show that even when you are trying to do right by God, Satan is right there tempting you to do wrong. 

Please before you decide to do something like voting or making big changes in your life, consider the scriptures in Romans 7 about the sinful nature attacking your body, just when you are trying to allow the Holy Spirit to protect and guide you the right way.  

Evil is a very strong word. If you are not making righteous decisions, good decisions, then they are evil. Do not allow Satan to deceive you. Evil is the reasoning and policy of Satan in his desire to become God. And just as the concept of grace represents the reasoning and policy of God, evil represents the thinking of Satan. And the influence of the souls of mankind are the objective. Evil, then, may be a simple distortion of God's Word and His directives. Evil invades all aspects of thought and life as it pertains to mankind: religion, legalism, socialism, politics,apostasy, etc.  

Under the concept of religion, evil includes any system of religious function outside of the 'church,' which church has been ordained by God. This means that certain denominations, movements and organizations within religion can be evil. And one of the most harmful things that can befall any believer is to become influenced by evil -- Satan's system.  

Spiritually mature believers are said to be able to differentiate between good and evil, Hebrews 5:14, which says, "But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." And according to Romans 7:19-21, a good thing done in an evil manner is evil: "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it. So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me."  







Philippians 3:2 warns believers to beware of evil men, "Watch out for those dogs, those men who do evil, those mutilators of the flesh." And the saints are not to keep company with evil, and influence by evil explains why prayers are not answered: Job 35:8,9, says, "He keeps company with evildoers; he associates with wicked men. For he says, 'It profits a man nothing when he tries to please God.'"  

Ecclesiastes 9:3 makes the somber and astounding statements that false religious teachings are evil and can lead to insanity, "This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead."  

Spiritually mature believers are protected from evil, according to the following verses: Psalm 21:11, Proverbs 12:12,20,21; 23:4; Genesis 50:20; 48:16; Psalm 37:16-19; 97:10; 119:101; 121:7, and Proverbs 1:33; 2:10-14; 19:23. Within the souls of believers, the question is: Is the believer influenced by God's Word and grace, or by evil? This question is clearly asked in Proverbs 15:3; 16:6; 22:3, and 24:1-4, which says, "Do not envy wicked men, do not desire their company; for their hearts plot violence, and their lips talk about making trouble. By wisdom a house is built, and through understanding it is established; through knowledge its rooms are filled with rare and beautiful treasures." God's Word overcomes evil; Romans 12:21 says, "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." And Psalm 54:5 says, "Let evil recoil on those who slander me; in your faithfulness destroy them."  

Apostasy is shaped by evil, according to John 3:19, "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil." And Psalm 36:1-4 makes it even more lucid, "An oracle is within my heart concerning the sinfulness of the wicked: There is no fear of God before his eyes. For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin. The words of his mouth are wicked and deceitful; he has ceased to be wise and to do good. Even on his bed he plots evil; he commits himself to a sinful course and does not reject what is wrong." So here, then, we have the sins of arrogance and hatred included in evil, and helping to form apostasy in the believer's soul.  

Thinking evil leads to a complete reversal of standards, Isaiah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter." And the thinkers of evil destroy themselves (God using evil to destroy evil), according to Psalm 34:21, "Evil will slay the wicked; the foes of the righteous will be condemned." Evil has no loyalty to anyone or anything, Psalm 35:12, "They repay me evil for good and leave my soul forlorn." And finally, and efficiently, James 1:13 asserts that there is no evil in God, "When tempted, no one should say, 'God is tempting me.' For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone." 

And God will judge evil, Isaiah 13:11, "I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless." Here we have sin and evil mentioned as two components of the same system. 'Haughty' thinking (evil) leads to 'arrogant' actions (sin). And 'ruthlessness' (hate as a system of thought or evil) leads to 'pride' (self-esteem and self-sufficiency). "In the present age, man proves his separation from his Creator by his spirit of self-sufficiency and positive rejection of God. The present issue between God and man is one of whether man will accept God's estimate of him, abandon his hopeless self-struggle, and cast himself only on the grace of God which alone is sufficient to accomplish his needed transformation." Paul's aim, then, is to influence Philemon with God's way, grace, rather than Satan's way, evil and coercion.

Correcting Sin According To The Bible

If someone is caught in a sin, restore that person gently. This is 
hard to do especially when the Bible says to be indignant about
sin. The key is the tone should be gentle at all times.

Galatians 6  
1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 
2 Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
3 If any of you think you are something when you are nothing, you deceive yourselves. 
4 Each of you should test your own actions. Then you can take pride in yourself, without comparing yourself to somebody else,
5 for each of you should carry your own load. 
6 Nevertheless, those who receive instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor.

Baptism, Twice? What Does The Bible Say About This?

Baptizing a Disciple of Christ again, why?

After a Disciple of Christ (Baptized with the Holy Spirit) leaves the church, where is it in the Bible where they have to be baptized again to be a part of the church?  




Ephesians 4 (KJV)
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


ONE BAPTISM....ONCE YOU ARE BAPTIZED (Paul is speaking to adults and you are held accountable for your sins as an adult) YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN FOR LIFE....(Unless you sell your soul) ~ Karmen




Galatians 6 (KJV)
1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness (gentleness); considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.



3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden.  




Hebrews 6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Humbling....Thank You God for your continued grace, mercy and compassion ~ Karmen  





10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. 11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

The scriptures say when you baptize a Disciple of Christ again, you are crucifyig Jesus again.  Sin is sin, so why do we measure each others sin? God doesn't.  ~ Karmen

Revelation 22 (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Be careful not to add to or take away from the Bible. It is forbidden and this is why we have denominations in the Christian faith. ~ Karmen


Ecclesiastes 12 (KJV)
11 The words of the wise are as goads (a spiked stick used for driving cattle.), and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.
12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished (warn or reprimand someone firmly.): of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. 




James 5 (KJV)
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.






Just exposing how churches are denominated without even knowing it.  It's not biblical, in fact Paul talks about how re-baptizing is like crucifying Jesus all over again.

Why do we not challenge or questions those in authority?  ~ Karmen

Is This Godly?


Loving God the best way we can and still being rebuked... 



Can honestly say for myself and for so many others, that we took our relationship with God seriously and we wanted to be the best that we coud in his eyes and strived for it without hesitation. Even in us doing that we were rebuked and our love for God was always challenged and/or questioned. Just will not go to a church that demeans it's congregation and that asks us to bring in more people so they can get the same abuse.  




Romans 4 

7 "Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.  
8 Blessed are those whose sin the Lord will never count against them."  
9 Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness. 
10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 
11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. 
12 And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised. 13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 
15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.


The treatment for all who were baptized into The Holy Spirit

Dead to sin , Alive in Christ and Slave to Righteousness  

Righteousness - It is an attribute that implies that a person's actions are justified, and can have the connotation that the person has been "judged" or "reckoned" as leading a life that is pleasing to God. Righteousness is also used as an attribute for God. No one is without sin 

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

With that said Disciples of Christ are righteous before God's eyes. Yes, we will sin, but in our hearts and minds with the Holy Spirit we pursue Godliness. Have heard some say "that's my shortcoming, my downfall" and do nothing to change it. A woman and man of God, will do it's best (no try) to get right with God. We want to goto Heaven!!! We are trying to live a life that is pleasing to God. If we demean and put down those who are trying to be righteous we are not in God's favor.  

For Psalm 2 speaks of one being shielded by God and receiving favor because of righteousness. Free from guilt or sin, when we are practicing righteousness. Again not saying that we do not sin, but we have God's grace and with that we can repent.  

Romans 6
3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 
4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.  

Stop treating Disciples of Christ like we were before baptism, but instead treat us the way you should with righteousness for we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. 

6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, [a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 
7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.  
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 
9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 
10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.  
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. Slaves to Righteousness  
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 



17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.  
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness.
20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 
21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 
22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in [b] Christ Jesus our Lord. 

Let us treat one another with Righteousness and obey from our heart's with Righteousness. Remember don't be quick to judge,all that have been baptized into the Holy Spirit are still your sisters and brothers in Christ even if they do not attend your church.
 

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